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From DEI to AI: Nedbank’s Deb Fuller on why humanity is still key for success

From General Electric, building a bank, and now leading the HR portfolio at one of Africa’s leading banks, Deb Fuller’s story is one of how human-centred leadership trumps everything.  In this episode of the Business Unusual Podcast, Deb joins Ralf Fletcher to discuss why DEI is evolving, the reason why culture is even more important than strategy or even execution.  “If you’re not solving for execution, your strategy is merely a pipe dream. But from my perspective, I truly believe that culture is actually what eats execution and strategy for breakfast.” This is a must-hear for anyone ready to: Listen if you’re ready to challenge assumptions and accelerate leadership that matters.

Leadership is broken – Blanchard SA’s Jayson Naidoo knows how to fix it

What if the real problem in your company isn’t the strategy, the economy, or the competition… but you? In this episode of the Business Unusual Podcast, hosted by Ralf Fletcher, leadership coach and Blanchard South Africa CEO Jayson Naidoo flips the script on traditional leadership. Raised on a small farm, Jayson’s journey from cricket captain to an expert on leadership is anything but conventional—and so is his leadership philosophy. He unpacks the real reasons teams underperform, the shocking truth behind toxic work cultures, and why most leaders—yes, even the “good” ones—are guilty of what he calls “leadership malpractice”. This episode dives deep into the human side of leadership: Whether you’re leading a team, scaling a startup, or just trying to survive in a high-stakes workplace, this conversation will challenge how you think about leadership—and give you the tools to transform it. Because at the end of the day, leadership isn’t something you have—it’s something you do. Hit play. Your team, your company, and your legacy depend on it: